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23 August 2010 @ 08:15 pm
sv meme day 16!  
Now it's Day 16 of the SV Meme!

Day 16- Best Villain



We've had a lot of good villains in Smallville (I often think of Marsters' Brainiac), but there's a reason we call Lionel Luthor the Magnificent Bastard. John Glover did evil so well. And you can talk about how he changed, but even in the middle of season 7, he kidnapped Clark out of his own home and threw him in a kryptonite cage just to save his own ass. He was a terrible father to Lex, playing mind games on his own son. Not only did he kill his own parents for the insurance money, but he killed his own parents. I always knew that Lex would be the one to kill him, but considering how he treated him, he should've seen it coming.

Day 01- Favorite Character
Day 02- Least Favorite Character
Day 03- Favorite Episode
Day 04- Episode You Hated
Day 05- Favorite Season
Day 06- Favorite Canon Ship
Day 07- Favorite Fanon Ship
Day 08- Favorite Fight Scene
Day 09- Most Heroic Moment/Scene
Day 10- Favorite Shelby Scene
Day 11- Favorite story arc
Day 12- Best Climax
Day 13- Most Emotional Scene
Day 14- Worst Character Death
Day 15- Best comic book hero introduction to Smallville
Day 16- Best Villain
Day 17- Worst Villain
Day 18- Best Friendship
Day 19- Funniest Moment
Day 20- OMG WTF?! Moment
Day 21- Your guilty pleasure ship
Day 22- Best Quote
Day 23- Favorite minor character (i.e. only been in 1-3 episode)
Day 24- Favorite mythos moment
Day 25- Something you think Smallville did better than comics canon
Day 26- Scene that was the most aesthetically pleasing/prettiest
Day 27- Favorite hospital scene
Day 28- Favorite music montage
Day 29- favorite Superman franchise actors who have guest-starred (Christopher Reeve, Helen Slater, Dean Cain etc.)
Day 30- Memory of your first time watching Smallville

Other potential replacements:
- favorite end montage
- favorite "someone looking at two people from the outside" scene
- favorite Superman quote used in the show
- favorite use of the S shield (to narrow it down, you might want to discount the Blur costume and all the calling cards in S9)
- favorite Clark save
- worst parent on the show ever
- favorite El/Kryptonian other than Clark
- scenes and shots that you think best represent and focused on Smallville as the hometown of a future Superman
- favorite reveal of The Secret
- favorite performance/scene of a character getting possessed
- Least favorite Plot (story arc)
- Craziest plot/episode/scene
- Strangest/Weirdest Villian/Character
- Character that died too soon
- Character that should've died sooner
- Most annoying character
 
 
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bradygirl_12: clex (devotion)bradygirl_12 on August 24th, 2010 03:30 am (UTC)
John Glover was magnificent as Lionel! He's a wonderful addition to the Superman mythos via Smallville.

Poor Lex never had much of a chance, did he, with a monster like that for a father? Under his influence his whole life really twisted our Lex up. :(
svgurl: lex rollingsvgurl on August 25th, 2010 12:13 am (UTC)
John Glover was magnificent as Lionel! He's a wonderful addition to the Superman mythos via Smallville.
Agreed!

Poor Lex never had much of a chance, did he, with a monster like that for a father? Under his influence his whole life really twisted our Lex up. :(
No, not really. His own obsessive nature didn't exactly help. :\
༄ .chernobyl ↯ghosts on August 24th, 2010 03:42 am (UTC)
I concur. :D
svgurl: clark s5svgurl on August 25th, 2010 12:13 am (UTC)
Glad to hear it! :D
xinsidemyskinxxinsidemyskinx on August 24th, 2010 05:12 am (UTC)
I miss Lionel, they totally screwed him up during mid season. That man was never designed to be nice EVER!
svgurl: clarksvgurl on August 25th, 2010 12:14 am (UTC)
I miss Lionel, they totally screwed him up during mid season. That man was never designed to be nice EVER!
Evil!Lionel was much more entertaining, I agree. And yes, he wasn't meant to be nice. I don't know what Jor-El was thinking, picking that man as a vessel. More proof the fortress is screwed up.
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svgurl: smallvillesvgurl on August 25th, 2010 12:15 am (UTC)
Ahhh I love the Magnificent Bastard. I'm so glad John Glover is coming back!! Next we need is Rosey. The Luthors were always brilliantly evil together :)
It will definitely be interesting to see Lionel again! I don't know how he's coming back from the dead, but I guess we'll have to see. I am happy with the current cast, but it would be nice to see everyone back for the finale.
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svgurl: clark/lexsvgurl on August 25th, 2010 12:18 am (UTC)
Lionel truly was epic. I loved how he was so ~loving and so ~evilicious at the same time; like Sun Tzu style parenting LOLLLLLLLL It really made you love Lex more [back when the show was in the early seasons LOL]
I don't think 'loving' could ever be a word to describe Lionel Luthor. He was manipulative, even with his own son. I felt sorry for Lex in the early seasons, but I do believe at the end of the day, he made his own decisions.

I just have such nostaglia for those early s1 eps of Clark and Lex becoming friends and trying to understand each other, and worrying and both pitying each other for different reasons -- and I liked how they had Clark be a little fascinated by Lex's genius/brilliance/personality/charisma to balance out Lex being obsessed w/ his almost death rescue/and Clark.
That's true! Unfortunately, they were both at the wrong stage of their lives. Clark was too young and he had to deal with his own secret. He was in no state of mind to deal with Lex's problems, no matter how much he wanted to. I think they were both obsessive with each other, though Lex's crossed a line.
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svgurl: clark/lexsvgurl on August 25th, 2010 07:11 am (UTC)
Hm I think he was creepily ~nice to Lex even as he said evil words tbh, he was like a seductive/charisma evil dude to me.
I think the only time Lionel was nice to Lex was that brief period of time before 'Transference' in s4, where he wanted to change his life. He never had Lex's best interests at heart, only wanted to manipulate him further and try to mold him.

I also think the attention he ewas always paying to Lex, even in an evil way, would have really affected Lex after his death/or something idk LOLLL.
Of course. Lex was definitely scarred from Lionel's parenting.

Yes I agree w/ your words on the life stages problem, and I actually wish the show had either done something diff w/ that topic or fixed it a little bit, because for the rivalry/pain/archenemyness to really hurt, they have to be really close BFFs first. And I don't think the show spent enough time on them being super friends first -- then if slowly Lex had investigated, or then etc ok, but I wanted seasons upon seasons of slooow breakdown but still friendship. LOL!
I think the 3 years they spent before Clark first called off their friendship was a good chunk of time. I mean, in s3, Clark even took Lex's side over his own parents! Lex is a very smart man and fooling him and constantly having him play dumb would've been OOC. There was no way they could've dragged it on longer than they did.
bradygirl_12: alexander--hephaestion (statuary)bradygirl_12 on August 25th, 2010 04:56 pm (UTC)
Lionel did love Lex...only in his own twisted way. You could see that with some of the scenes between them, but his own evil made him the Worst Father Ever! ;) He wanted Lex to be worthy of his legacy, and of course Lex couldn't do that, at least not at first. In the end, it's like Alexander with his father Philip: Philip of Macedon was a great leader and conqueror, but he was ultimately surpassed by his son. BTW, Alexander had a distant father who saw him as a rival and a crazy mother (Olympia) who twisted his feelings toward his father because she hated Philip.
svgurl: lex bad dayssvgurl on August 25th, 2010 07:54 pm (UTC)
Lionel did love Lex...only in his own twisted way. You could see that with some of the scenes between them, but his own evil made him the Worst Father Ever! ;)
That's true. It was a very selfish love though. He really is proof that some people are just born evil.

He wanted Lex to be worthy of his legacy, and of course Lex couldn't do that, at least not at first. In the end, it's like Alexander with his father Philip: Philip of Macedon was a great leader and conqueror, but he was ultimately surpassed by his son. BTW, Alexander had a distant father who saw him as a rival and a crazy mother (Olympia) who twisted his feelings toward his father because she hated Philip.
Good comparison! And wow, that sounds like one crazy family.
bradygirl_12: alexander--hephaestion (statuary)bradygirl_12 on August 26th, 2010 12:23 am (UTC)
Yeah, Lionel's love was always selfish.

And Alexander the Great's family was crazy! I think royal families in pre-modern times are all a little off. After all, how many times did sons knock off fathers to gain the crown, and younger brothers do the same to older brothers? A kingdom is huge motivation for family dsyfunction!
svgurl: lex rollingsvgurl on August 26th, 2010 12:42 am (UTC)
Yup, and by the time he had any interest in connecting with his son, it was way too little, too late.

I think that greed is a dangerous emotion and can lead to all kinds of choas, even within a family. I am sure that that is even more so when a kingdom is at stake!
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svgurl: clark/lexsvgurl on August 26th, 2010 08:13 pm (UTC)
Hm I see what you mean - I guess I think that the fact the typically Lionel seemed to use verbal and emotional abuse as opposed to outright crude/dumb cruelty/beating etc makes me see him as even more disturbing -- that edge of civility and playing games with words imho puts a facade of reason/civility etc on his abuse, and I think that makes Lex even more messed up.
Exactly. Physical wounds can heal, but nasty words can stay with you forever. He put Lex up to ridiculous tests and tried to see if he could withstand them all.

Re life stages, I guess I was looking for a more epic, <3s bromance that I didn't see personally. I wanted them to be Kirk and Spock, and then for it to unravel, and to me we got more good friends who are both suspicious of each other etc. While I do think that's more realistic I always love watching true love bromances LOL !!! I wanted their previous friendship to be so great that when they break apart its terrifying/sad/endlessly painful ...... what do you mean i really wanted a soap opera???? what?? LOL! =DDD!
I don't think that the circumstances upon which they met would've allowed for them to be friends like you described. Plus, there was the age difference and the influence of Clark's parents, who were already wary of Lex. It would've been nice to see but just impossible for it work like that.
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svgurl: clark amused metallosvgurl on August 27th, 2010 02:22 am (UTC)
And you have to have a particular type of show to make *real* bromances work. Like Scrubs, lol. It's tougher with guys.

v. fun talking about it all tho =))))) <3! are you into the x-men??? i have SRS opinions about them, like tl;dr FOREVER haha!
No, unfortunately, I haven't seen any of the movies.