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24 October 2012 @ 11:12 pm
'arrow' pilot thoughts  
Late to the party, but I finally watched the pilot of Arrow [1 down, two to go after tonight's episode airs] on Hulu and btw, if anyone hasn't seen it and is interested, it's available to everyone, not just paid members, and here are my thoughts. [spoilers for the first episode] I think most of you know how much I love JH's Ollie on Smallville and did since Day 1, but I tried my best to keep my bias out of it, and accept it as a new show. It helps that it was an origins story and you can't really compare the two portrayals at all, since Amell's Ollie and JH's Ollie are at different stages in life.

I had mixed feelings on some parts of the Pilot. At times like this, I really wish I read the comics so I could have more info on Ollie to go off of and accurately judge this portrayal, but then again, I bet I'll just end up having to take this show as an alternate universe if I had, much like Smallville is to the people who have read the Superman comics, since there are so many factors in this show that aren't present in the comics and plenty that has been changed already.

First of all, the cast is very attractive, from Ollie to Dinah to Tommy. CW sure knows how to cast them! LOL I don't understand why we have a brunette Ollie though, and why Ollie was blonde in the flashback scenes and not in the regular ones. For some reason, I don't think Amell would be a good blonde either. I know JH's Ollie has brown eyes vs the green in comics, which Amell seems to have, but still- Ollie's supposed to be a blonde. And him having dark hair is just another thing that reminds me of Bruce in this episode.

Because really, Starling City seems too much like Gotham, especially in Batman Begins. Also, Starling City? Really? What was wrong with Star City? And don't get me started on how they're calling Dinah 'Laurel'. They used her full name in her last scene but why can't they just call her Dinah? Dinah Lance sounds so much nicer than Laurel Lance. Moving on with the comparisons, then there's how Ollie's drifting into using the playboy persona as a show and then going in and intimidating people in a costume. Though unlike Bruce, Ollie seems okay with killing, and that threw me at first but I'm assuming it's because of what he suffered during those 5 years on the island had to due with the ease in which he is able to kill others. After all, I bet there it was kill or be killed, right?

Amell is doing well with what he's given. His take on Oliver and Ollie's return to society after what he's been through is realistic. I like how he was so happy to see his sister, and his friendship with Tommy, who definitely saw something when he was supposedly knocked out, which should make for an interesting dynamic in the future. Hopefully the friendship doesn't go away since Tommy is interested/has a thing going with Dinah [I refuse to call her Laurel], because I hate when shows do that, whether it is two guys being interested in one girl or two girls being interested in one guy. Since it's the CW though, I know I can expect some sort of love triangle in the future, as well, Ollie/Dinah is kind of inevitable, even their chemistry doesn't stand out to me just yet.

Overall, if you take away all the comparisons, the pilot was pretty solid. It gave you enough background, but at the same time, doesn't overwhelm you with it. You see what he was like before [shallow, spoiled playboy] and what he is now and while you don't know what happened on the island completely, you still have enough info to realize that it must be huge, considering the shift in personality. It leaves you with a taste and makes you want more, and whatever I have said, I'm still willing to see the second episode and see where they take it. Since the show has been given an entire season, at least there's time for it to grow and for me to to get used to everything, and make a better judgement. I am very sad that his mother seems to be a villain and would do that to her own husband and son. Such a shame.

I don't have an opinion on Dinah yet. Physically, she's a bit younger than I imagined, but otherwise fitting. I wonder whether we'll see her as Black Canary and hope we do. It'll be nice to have a live action version of Dinah/BC that I like, since she's clearly such a badass in the comics.


I'm probably forgetting something but I don't think I have anything to add at the moment, and I have rambled on long enough.

Feel free to share your thoughts! I know a bunch of you have posted your thoughts on this episode a while ago so if you'd like to link me to them, please do. :D
 
 
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Kelly: Katie black and whitelavendergaia on October 25th, 2012 07:15 am (UTC)
I love this show. The second episode is actually better than the pilot (typical, pilots tend to suck) and I am eagerly awaiting the third episode on the CW website. I love Ollie and that the CW made up a sister for an incest ship and Katie Cassidy's face. IDK what's up with the Laurel thing (lol I still call her Dinah whatev) but I'm assuming it has a point, as does her brown hair.

My only wish is that new!Ollie would be as pretty as Justin but surely that would be difficult.
svgurl: arrow ollie serioussvgurl on October 25th, 2012 07:47 am (UTC)
Yay! I'm glad, as I love to find out what my flist is watching and that I know there's someone else I can talk to about a show. And that's good news about the second episode. Like you said, that's typically the case, which is why I did want to continue on. I don't like to make or break a show just on its pilot. :D

I love Ollie and that the CW made up a sister for an incest ship and Katie Cassidy's face.
Kate Cassidy is very pretty and you're not alone in seeing the chemistry with Ollie and his sister. Someone even wrote a fic, I think. I saw it when I was looking for icons.

IDK what's up with the Laurel thing (lol I still call her Dinah whatev) but I'm assuming it has a point, as does her brown hair.
I hope so! As far as the brown hair goes, I heard [but don't have actual evidence, as someone I follow on Tumblr that actually reads the comics said this] that Dinah was originally a brunette but wore a blonde wig for BC and then eventually dyed her hair blonde permanently. Something like that. So maybe they're going back to that? IDK- guess we'll have to wait and find out.

My only wish is that new!Ollie would be as pretty as Justin but surely that would be difficult.
Oh, I can relate to that! I definitely miss Justin's face [though apparently not enough to watch his new medical drama] but like you said, it would be hard to find someone as pretty as him.
Kelly: Katie facelavendergaia on October 25th, 2012 04:51 pm (UTC)
Yeah, Ollie and his sister have a tumblr and everything. It is a CW show, it does have to follow the pattern.

Dinah's hair color varies a lot by canon/writers/etc. Some of them are like WIG! DIED HER HAIR! DIED HER HAIR A LOT! And others are like....fuck that, that's work, she doesn't wear a mask anyway, so she's blonde.
svgurl: chloe curly hairsvgurl on October 25th, 2012 07:04 pm (UTC)
Do they really? I'm not the least bit surprised. People are fast! And that's true about the CW.

Dinah's hair color varies a lot by canon/writers/etc. Some of them are like WIG! DIED HER HAIR! DIED HER HAIR A LOT! And others are like....fuck that, that's work, she doesn't wear a mask anyway, so she's blonde.
That makes sense, though it is confusing for the rest of us. Make up your minds!
Kelly: Nightwinglavendergaia on October 25th, 2012 07:18 pm (UTC)
People are fast. There's a Dinah/Ollie LJ comm too. *may have found and joined ALL THE ARROW COMMS*

Don't quote me on this, but I thiiiink that she's just blonde in the new reboot at least?
svgurl: oliver laughingsvgurl on October 25th, 2012 07:37 pm (UTC)
I saw that! I was looking for icons and I saw a few comms, though I have yet to join any. I'm waiting to see if I'll actually stick with this show first before.

Is she? That's something at least. XD
Natashatheclexfactor on October 25th, 2012 11:42 am (UTC)
"Laurel" is the name of the original Black Canary, who is also comics!Dinah's mother. They did a combo-deal with her name.
Kelly: Roy Lianlavendergaia on October 25th, 2012 04:52 pm (UTC)
Laurel's also Dinah's middle name in the comics so they did a swap with Dinah/Laurel, I'm just wondering what the significance is because she's known as Dinah in every other canon I can think of.
MissBstill_glorious on October 25th, 2012 12:17 pm (UTC)
i was so disapointed by the pilot and especially the casting. i dont get why the actress that plays dinah gets so much screentime in various shows. she is such a bad actress. It's a miracle. All in all it tried to stick to the comic but since i dislike the entire cast i was mostly annoyed by the action scenes in a 'yeah, looks good but doesn't help' . not even the superb angst helped in that area. It's too much if a CW cast for my taste and evidently i'm done with those.
svgurlsvgurl on October 25th, 2012 07:08 pm (UTC)
According to someone else, the second episode is better so I'm going to give it a shot.

i dont get why the actress that plays dinah gets so much screentime in various shows. she is such a bad actress.
I wonder that about plenty of actresses. :\ I haven't seen her in anything else and she was a little stiff in this episode but I decided to see more before I gave it/her a final judgement.

But if you don't like the cast already, you're not really going to like the show. Not even the greatest plot can save that and well, this is the CW.

It's too much if a CW cast for my taste and evidently i'm done with those.
Makes sense. I'm sure plenty of people felt the same way and didn't even bother with the pilot to begin with.
Loony Loopy Lea Lovegood: SV: Shirtless Ollie brings all the girlschickadilly on October 25th, 2012 01:15 pm (UTC)
I tried to get into it but I was just bored. I fully admit I couldn't let go of Justin Hartley's Ollie - this guy just seemed to lack Justin's charisma? I watched the second episode and thought I'd watch the third to see if I liked it more but last night I found I had no desire to so I may be done with it. Haha, we'll see. :)
svgurl: oliver queensvgurl on October 25th, 2012 07:15 pm (UTC)
I really tried to let go of JH and it was definitely hard. I kept telling my sister "but Justin's Ollie was like this!"

this guy just seemed to lack Justin's charisma?
Oh, for sure. Justin always had this natural charm and presence that make the billionaire playboy side of his character believable but this guy was a bit stiff. I wrote it off and tried to give him the benefit of the doubt, since his Ollie as just returning to society, and I haven't seen the actor in anything else, so we'll see.

I watched the second episode and thought I'd watch the third to see if I liked it more but last night I found I had no desire to so I may be done with it. Haha, we'll see. :)
I heard the second episode is better than the pilot? IDK. And yeah, if you can't even bring yourself to watch, that is probably a bad thing. I remember watching certain seasons of Smallville felt like a chore and I wouldn't want to go through that with any other show. :\
KB: Megan Rileypsyko_kittie on October 25th, 2012 07:05 pm (UTC)
This show has intrigued me and even my mother is watching it, which is surprising, considering she never goes for CW shows. HAHA

LOL I don't understand why we have a brunette Ollie though, and why Ollie was blonde in the flashback scenes and not in the regular ones.
I think their trying to show a difference between the two personas of Ollie. Blonde!Ollie was a selfish d-bag and brunette!Ollie is a vengeful-killer (which I'm okay with).

Overall, if you take away all the comparisons, the pilot was pretty solid. It gave you enough background, but at the same time, doesn't overwhelm you with it. You see what he was like before [shallow, spoiled playboy] and what he is now and while you don't know what happened on the island completely, you still have enough info to realize that it must be huge, considering the shift in personality.
Just wait, they will tease out his backstory, which will leave you confused and yet intrigued and wanting for more--this kind of story telling is my favorite. Another reason for my love of "Revenge."


The second episode was better than the pilot and the third is even better. The show is growing on me by leaps and bounds.
svgurl: arrow ollie serioussvgurl on October 25th, 2012 07:24 pm (UTC)
How funny! It's like 'Elementary' with my mom. She doesn't really pay attention to shows but that one has her interested too. :D

I think their trying to show a difference between the two personas of Ollie. Blonde!Ollie was a selfish d-bag and brunette!Ollie is a vengeful-killer (which I'm okay with).
Yeah, I kind of saw that but I still am not a fan. With all the similarities to Bruce already, they should have kept his hair color the right shade. Some things just shouldn't be changed. I'm kind of a stickler on the right appearances for characters.

Just wait, they will tease out his backstory, which will leave you confused and yet intrigued and wanting for more--this kind of story telling is my favorite. Another reason for my love of "Revenge."
Oh, I have no doubts that they are going to drag it out and I hope they do it in the right way. And I haven't seen 'Revenge' but that's cool!

The second episode was better than the pilot and the third is even better. The show is growing on me by leaps and bounds.
I've been hearing that the second episode is better so I'll have to find a way to watch that one and then the third. Maybe this weekend.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Babydracky: GA_Jutice Leaguebabydracky on October 25th, 2012 09:48 pm (UTC)
I think I'll give it a try even if I'll miss JH!
svgurl: ollie superhero playboysvgurl on October 25th, 2012 10:05 pm (UTC)
Awesome! I still miss JH but am trying to deal. Let me know what you think after you watch it! :D
evol_jellybaby: Shaun of the Dead - Zombie Look Outx_pixilated_x on October 26th, 2012 10:59 pm (UTC)
Finally saw it!! I'm taking it as a male version of Revenge, which, despite being ridiculously over-the-top, is so much fun to watch. Also, it has Katie Cassidy, whom I adore. She was awesome in Supernatural \o/
Am a bit worried about this killing thing that's going on :/ Really hope it doesn't bleed into other superhero movies/tv shows.
svgurl: arrow ollie serioussvgurl on October 29th, 2012 02:40 am (UTC)
That's good! I'm glad you're enjoying it though. I am going to try and see episodes 2 and 3 before making a final call.

Also, it has Katie Cassidy, whom I adore. She was awesome in Supernatural \o/
I haven't seen her in anything else but I would love to see a live action version of Dinah that I like so I'm hoping that her portrayal works out and they develop her character more in the upcoming episodes.

Am a bit worried about this killing thing that's going on :/ Really hope it doesn't bleed into other superhero movies/tv shows.
Same. I mean, I know they're going a more angsty route, but Batman never killed and I don't want them to try and try to make any other heroes do that. Ollie ruthlessly killing that guy because "he knew his secret" in the pilot was troublesome. I want to see him realize the true meaning of being a hero and stop crossing that line.
Sammy: Misc → Kittylipssewnshut122 on November 14th, 2012 03:32 am (UTC)
I think the show is okay. And really the only reason I keep watching it is because it's right before Supernatural here. But honestly, I loved Justin Hartley as Oliver so much more (and thank God he is on a new show now). I can't help it. But for something to pass the time until the show I really want to watch is on, it's pretty decent.

It helps that it has Katie Cassidy in it though cause I missed her in Supernatural sooo much!

Edited at 2012-11-14 03:35 am (UTC)
svgurl: arrow ollie serioussvgurl on November 20th, 2012 01:18 am (UTC)
I've only seen two episodes now and I think it's pretty interesting, though it's not enough to keep me tuning in weekly for some reason.

But honestly, I loved Justin Hartley as Oliver so much more (and thank God he is on a new show now). I can't help it.
Same. His interpretation is still my favorite, just because he was so much snarkier, but I don't think he would've fit in as Arrow's Oliver, because it's just too dark for him. I wish I could get into JH's new show but I have no interest to even try, no matter how much I love him.

But for something to pass the time until the show I really want to watch is on, it's pretty decent.
Gotcha. That makes sense.

I haven't seen Kate Cassidy in anything, since I don't watch SPN, but I'm interested in her character. I would love to have a live action Dinah that I can root for, since I wasn't a huge fan of Alaina Huffman's version, the few times she was on SV.